Graham Allcott 0:04

You're listening to Beyond Busy, the show where we talk productivity, work life balance, defining happiness and success. All the big questions for work and life. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And in this episode, I'm talking to the CEO of Flow, former employee of Jack Dorsey and Steve Jobs, Daniel Scrivener. So before we get into the show, I just want to talk to you quickly about my Six Weeks to Ninja programme, which starts in November, still some tickets left. So if you go to grahamallcott.com, you can find out details there. Or just go to Eventbrite and type in Six Weeks to Ninja, it's an evening course, Thursday evenings UK time, so good for those of you in the US as well listening to this. And the idea is that we will spend six weeks going through all the main parts of my book, How to be a Productivity Ninja. So essentially all the main habits that you need to develop really good productivity practices. So if that sounds of interest, then just go to grahamallcott.com, you can find out more at grahamallcott.com. You can also find out more if you just go to Eventbrite and type into the search past Six Weeks to Ninja, you should be able to find me pretty easily from there. It's deliberately quite a small group. And the idea is that we're going to really create community around this. My I guess my experience over the years is there's there's an awful lot of people who have read How to be a Productivity Ninja and probably read other, you know, similar books around self help, productivity, time management, all that kind of stuff. And then just not implemented things. There's also a lot of books on my shelf I'm looking at right now that I've read that I haven't necessarily, you know, then implemented all the stuff in it, there's always a gap between what you've read, and then what you're actually doing and taking action on. So the idea of this six week programme is that we'll create some community around this, create some accountability around this, and actually bridge that gap. So get you to implement all the stuff that's in there. And you know, ultimately really turn you into a Productivity Ninja, someone who's able to do a lot of great work, do your best work and actually lower your stress levels at the same time. So if that sounds of interest, it's called Six Weeks to Ninja. It's at grahamallcott.com, or it's on Eventbrite. And I would love to have you with me for that course. By the way, if you want a little code for that I put this code out on my mailing list. The code is revved up, because my mailing list is called REVUP for the week. So if you wont one in on that if you want a 10% discount, because I'm feeling nice today. Just go put in REVUP R-E-V U-P at checkout, you get 10% off. I'd love to have you there. So check that out. And also before we get into the episode, I have to give a shout out to my beloved Aston Villa. I don't quite know what's going on. We're all keeping our feet on the ground but for wins out for in the Premier League. We go top of the Premier League if we win our gaming hand. It's kind of crazy. having survived by the skin of our teeth last year, but I'm absolutely loving it. It's a lot of fun. To be fair, I'm having more people ask me to gloat about it than I'm actually gloating. And I think the reason behind that someone was asking me today, oh, you must be just ecstatic and everything. And I think this is like a good lesson for life. Which is don't think you're as good as your wins and don't think you're as bad as your losses. So it's a football thing, but it's also a life thing. What's that quote? is a Albert Camus quote, which is all that I know most surely about morality and obligation I owe to football. There you go. Let's talk about this week's guests. I think you're going to really love this one. This is Daniel Scrivner. One of I think my favourite conversations for a while and one that in true Beyond Busy style got into some pretty deep, deep places as well. We talked about Daniel's mental health. We talked about his work ethic. We talked about working for Steve Jobs and Jack Dorsey and ringing the bell on the New York Stock exchange's square floated where he was head of design. We talked about investing and what it takes to build good startups. We talked about being humble, just all over the map with just really rich conversation from someone who has been there and done it basically and just had incredible experiences as a CEO as a designer. And of course, we talk about the geekiness of his current company Flow, which is a an app which will help you with your to do list and help you with collaboration and is really trying to be the market leader in terms of doing both those things have personal productivity app and team collaboration app. So check out Flow. It's really good and less Let's get into this episode one of my favourites for a while I think you're gonna really enjoy it. Here's my conversation with Daniel Scrivner.

In the last week, I’ve been reminded of the power of clarity. My company, Think Productive, have been writing and honing a new strategy for the business (pivoting, zooming, you get the idea). It’s been an interesting process watching ideas that felt clear in my mind get slowly clearer in the minds of the rest of the team — and some ideas that felt strong but hazy in my mind get developed a polished by the team into something better than my original idea.

My business, Think Productive, has been going through quite a big strategic review over the last few weeks. As you probably know, our core business has always been face to face training in the offices of our clients, so this year has required quite a big rethink. We've obviously moved a lot of stuff onto Zoom, but after a frantic few months during lockdown, and then a few months with most of the team on furlough, we've set aside September and October as the months to remodel the business for an online world dealing with the heady cocktail of pandemic, Brexit, and recession. It promises to be a challenging period, so we're determined to be ready. Ninja Preparedness!

Graham Allcott 0:04

You're listening to beyond busy, the show where we talk productivity, work life balance, defining happiness and success. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this episode I'm talking to Ray Sagayam. Ray is a senior leader in an asset management company so works in the city, and just has some really fascinating perspectives on resilience on money on success on dealing with people just so many really carefully considered bits of wisdom in this episode, I think you're gonna love it. So just quickly before we get into it a couple of quick messages. If you're a Beyond Busy Keno, and you're listening to this in the first day or serve release, you still have time to sign up for our free webinar on "How to Beat Procrastination... Tomorrow." It's on Friday the 16th of October 2pm. You'll find details if you go to thinkproductive co.uk click on the free webinars tab. And then you'll be able to find access to our free webinar on procrastination. If you want to get involved with that, check it out. And also there's a few other free webinars that are underneath that are happening over the next couple of months. So go and check them out. thinkproductive.co.uk and you'll see the free webinars tab at the top. Also, just to let you know, there's still tickets available for my Six Weeks to Ninja live evening course we're starting in November. So go to grahamallcott.com and go to find details for that. It's basically all of the contents from my one day masterclass that I usually do in London, but spread out over six weeks, gonna set you some homework to get you busy and just create a really good group who can hold each other to account. So if you feel like you want a productivity boost ahead of the end of the year, or in this very dark winter that we're about to experience, then that's the place to be so Six Weeks to Ninja, go to grahamallcott.com. And you'll find out more there. So let's get into this episodes. This is Ray Sagayam. I met Ray when I did some work for his company just about a year ago, and we talked about that a little bit during the episodes. Ray is just such an articulate, thoughtful, interesting leader just with a lot to say. And he honestly is probably the first person who coming into the episode had like two pages of really just brilliant bullet points. And I was like, really at a loss of how can I get all this stuff in the episode. And so you'll notice at the end of the episode, I actually just say to him, so anything else because I just knew that like loads of stuff that he hadn't got around to say yet. So just someone who really thinks about how to manage people really thinks about how he does his work, and just has some really great wisdom to share. So I think you're gonna really enjoy this one. Here is my conversation with Ray Sagayam.

Graham Allcott 0:04

You're listening to Beyond Busy, the show where we talk productivity, work life balance, and defining happiness and success. All the big questions for work and life. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this episode, I'm talking to Fred Pelard. Fred is the author of a book called How to be Strategic. He is a former rocket scientist and also strategic consultant to some of the biggest brands in the world: Nike, Barclays, Ernst and Young, The Guardian, Tate sky, IKEA; the list goes on. So before we get into that episode, just a quick reminder that the tickets are on sale for my six weeks to Ninja, evening class. It's UK time, Thursday evenings, six weeks during November and December. And if you want to find out more about that, just go to grahamallcott.com; I'll put a link in the shownotes as well as getbeyondbusy.com. But I'd love you to come along basically, as a small group, the idea is that we will be going through some of the key chapters and therefore habits of my book, How to be a Productivity Ninja, all the stuff that you need to get organised, ready for the new year. All the stuff that you need to kick your productivity into shape. So if you want to be part of that Six Weeks to Ninja, the first time I've done it is basically taking all the stuff from my one day masterclass and putting it in an evening format. I'm really excited about doing it in this new format. And it's called Six Weeks to Ninja. So it's on Eventbrite if you want to just search it on there, and also just at grahamallcott.com. I'd love you to check it out. Right, let's get into the episode recorded as they all are these days, I used to really love doing them face to face. And then now they are all down the line, sadly, but recorded just a couple of weeks ago. Here is my conversation with Fred Pelard.

Graham Allcott 0:04

This is beyond busy. The show where we talk productivity, work life balance, defining happiness and success. All the big questions for work and life. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this episode, it's too for the price of one because I've got Jennifer Aaker and Naomi Bagdonas. They are the authors of a book called Humour, Seriously, more of which in a moment. 6So before that, just a quick reminder that the tickets for my 6 Weeks to Ninja evening programmes have just gone on sale. So if you go to Eventbrite, you can just type in 6 Weeks to Ninja or go to the GrahamAllcott.com website, and you can see it on there. Basically, it's six weeks evening course UK time, Thursday evenings, and I'm going to be kicking your productivity into shape. Basically, deliberately small group, if you're interested in that, check it out. Eventbrite or grahamallcott.com. We'd love to have you there. I think there's a couple of the early bird tickets are still available. And there's a few of the full price tickets left. So go and check that out. So let's get into this episode. This was a lot of fun to do, I think you're gonna really enjoy this one. So the book is called Humour, Seriously. Why humour is a superpower at work and in life. And yeah, just such an underrated trait to really help you build relationships, build trust. And of course, you know, when you have relationships and trust, a lot of productivity comes from that. So I think it's a really important skill for anyone in business. So just a quick note about our guests. So Jennifer is a behavioural psychologist. She's an author, and she is the General Atlantic Professor at Stanford Graduate School of Business. And Naomi is also a Stanford lecturer, but is also a professionally trained comedian. She does improv and stand up and as well as work as a strategy media consultant, as well. So these are two very funny women, we had a really just a really fun hour on zoom, just chatting about this book, and talking about some of the real benefits to humour and you know, levity in the way that we speak and the way that we act and the way that we build relationships. So there's just loads to take away from this, some really interesting little tips and tricks. So let's get straight into the episode.

Here is my conversation with Jennifer and Naomi.

Graham Allcott 0:04

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Busy. The show where we talk productivity, work life balance, and how different people define happiness and success. All the big questions for work and life. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this episode, I'm talking to a very special person, NK Chaudhary. He's the founder of Jaipur rugs, the first Indian guests that I've had on the show, and honestly one of the most inspiring leaders I've ever come across. So really, really excited to have him on the show more of which in a moment. So I hope you're okay, I hope you are well, it's feels like we're Yeah, like lockdown, again, is brewing. If you're listening to this in the north of England and lots of other places, it's already here. And yeah, I can kind of feel there's a bit of an anxiety, kind of driving people's thought processes at the moment, as people think about strapping in for it could be a very long, cold, stressful winter on lots of different fronts. So hope you're okay. And surviving that sort of imminent sense of doom that seems to be going around at the moment. If we do end up on lockdown for winter, then here's a lovely segue. Then there are some spaces still available for my six weeks to ninja online evening course. So it starts in November. Now if you go to GrahamAllcott.com, you'll see a pop up for that. And also just Oh, there you go. It'll pop up on my screen right now. GrahamAllcott.com/6weeks will get you directly to that page as well. And yeah, if you want to sign up for that, it's going to be a deliberately quite small little group. So there's going to be no more than 30 people. And I'm going to be walking people through all the stuff from my book, How to be a Productivity Ninja, and also spending a lot of time with you guys on implementing it all as well. So we'll have a whatsapp group for accountability through the weeks and making sure that people actually do the stuff that they are resolving to do as part of the programme. So if you're interested in that six weeks, and then just go to Graham allcott.com, and you find out more there. So let's get into this week's episode. So NK Chaudhary. I met back in 2012, I was on a study programme called journeys for change, touring around India, and talking to leaders and particularly social entrepreneurs. NK Chaudhary is the founder of Jaipur rugs, huge exporter of very high end beautiful luxury rugs. And his founder story is absolutely fascinating. We talked about it a bit during the episode. Basically, he kind of defied his parents and lots of other people in his life and worked across the caste system. So in India, there are various different castes of people. And there are very set expectations for what those people do, who they mix with, and so on. And the people who are deemed to be at the bottom of society used to be referred to and I think in some cases still are as the untouchables and Mr. Chaudhary made a very deliberate decision to work with those people to help them to install weaving looms, where they were so that they didn't have to travel and be exploited going to, you know, factories working 18 hour day, hour days, and they could basically work flexibly. And we toured around a few of the facilities of Jaipur rugs this year, we toured around a few different villages. And it's just absolutely remarkable what he has built, and his eloquence and just presence as a leader, just phenomenal. It's fair to say that English is not his first language. So this is a slightly difficult Listen, you might find it just takes a few minutes to just to kind of adjust to some of the pronunciations and, and to really kind of hook into this. But honestly, I would say just listen to it twice, because he is so inspiring. And I'm going to be doing some writing over the next few months particularly around heart in business and you know, kindness and leadership and a few topics around that. And it's fair to say Mr. Chaudhary is very high on my list of people to feature as a case study as part of this. So super inspiring. We reconnected a few months ago and I said I'd love you to come on and do the podcast and he said yes. So I'm just delighted and thrilled to have him on so let's get into it. Here's my conversation with Mr. NK Chaudhary

The science of gratitude journalling shows us that if you write a list every day of things that you're grateful for, what happens is your brain gets trained to look for the patterns during the day, making a mental note for when you next come to sit down and write it in the journal. This is sometimes called the 'Tetris Effect' - named after when you stop playing Tetris but see every brick and picture frame on your wall in the shapes from the game. I've definitely noticed a 'Tetris effect' with these emails - that I'm training my brain to see positive ideas and lessons in whatever else I'm doing, and it's getting easier to think of what to say each week. So, thank you for being here. It means I keep showing up too.

This week's wasn't so easy, though. Like seemingly most of the rest of the population, I watched 'The Social Dilemma' on Netflix. I wasn't going to watch it - I've interviewed Cal Newport talking about ditching social media for productivity reasons and I don't use much social media myself. I haven't been on Facebook for years, I've basically left Twitter although we still share the podcast and stuff there... Oh yeah. Instagram. I spend far too much time on Instagram. Shit. Not so smug now, Mr Ninja! I'm also a fan of Jaron Lanier's work, such as his books "Who Owns the Future?" and the catchily titled "Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts, Right Now". They're both well worth checking out.

Graham Allcott 0:05

Hello, you're listening to beyond busy, the show where we talk productivity, work-life balance and everything in between. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this week's episode, I'm in conversation with Francis Briers. Francis is a fellow by Brightonian. He's client lead at FizzPopBang, so he has a lot to say about culture in organisations. He's also the founder of Wise Fool School and an interfaith minister. So we taught wisdom and faith and all sorts of stuff, as well as productivity and he's someone who's done 494 consecutive weekly emails. So just in terms of consistency of output and productivity. He's got loads to say loads of great tips. So I think you're going to really enjoy this conversation. Before we get into it, just wanted to talk to you about my new programme that I'm running in November. It's called Six Weeks to Ninja. You can find out Details at GrahamAllcott.com and it's basically a six week evening course where I'm going to take everyone through all the tips and tricks and key habits from how to be a productivity ninja so if you're a fan of productivity ninja if you've done some work with think productive my company before, you'll know how this stuff can really change your life actually, you know, and really just give you the the kind of backbone habits that will really up your game in terms of productivity. So if that's a tool of interest, go to Graham Allcott, calm, you should see a little pop up, come up on there with some more information about six weeks to ninja. There's also an event bright page, if you just go to Eventbrite and type in six weeks in nd you'll find it and it's really limited. So we're just going to do it for we're going to sell 30 tickets, and so it's going to be a fairly small and intimate little gathering of people, Whatsapp group to keep everyone accountable and through the weeks as well. And starting in November, so if that isn't enough, Thursday evenings UK time through November through to Christmas. Then go up to six weeks to ninja on the Eventbrite page or on grey market.com to find out more. So let's get into this conversation. So as I say, France is just really interesting guy. You know, we talk wisdom, faith, productivity, embodiment, all sorts of stuff. In this episode. We're down the line. Even though we're both in the same city recording this it was recorded a few weeks ago, when there was still some some fairly strong restrictions in place of that meeting. It just didn't feel like the right thing to do. So I'm looking forward to having a proper coffee and catch up with Francis when that feels like a bit more of a normal thing to do. But let's get into it.

Graham Allcott 0:04

Hello and welcome to another episode of Beyond Busy. This is the show where we talk productivity, work-life balance, how people define happiness and success. All the big questions for work and life. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. And on this episode, I am talking to Eman Ismail. She is the founder of InkHouse. She's a young working mom, she's an entrepreneur. We talked about her journey, starting her business from scratch, and of course, why writing matters. Why is writing an important skill for business, how to get better at it, and really the benefits of thinking in a copywriting kind of way. So loads in this one, I think you're gonna really enjoy it. She's great company, great to talk to and you're gonna really enjoy the episode. At the end of this episode I will give you more details about my new programme Six Weeks to Ninja And lots of other stuff so stick around after the conversation. But let's jump straight in. Here's my conversation with Eman Ismail.

I started my business, Think Productive, at perhaps the worst possible time. It was the recession of 2008. At the time, we hadn't heard of Covid yet so it was set to be the longest recession in our lifetimes.

I'd never run my own business before, but I'd been running charities and departments of charities for a few years at a stupidly young age, so I felt ready. And no one whose opinion I trusted told me not to do it. Looking back I'm grateful for the lack of cautionary advice. There's something to be said for what naivity can achieve - you don't think about what's not possible, you just crack on.

Launching a business at any time is hard. Launching one that's about training, not competing at the cheap end of the market, at a time when budgets are going to be slashed or non-existent? I probably should have decided against it and done something else, but I just had a burning desire to take this work to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. I wasn't going to listen to all the inconvenient truths that meant the odds were against me, much as I was scared, worried and pretty skint for a long time getting it off the ground.

Graham Allcott 0:04

Hello, and welcome to another episode of Beyond Busy podcast. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for this show. This is the podcast where we talk productivity, work life balance, how people define happiness and success. All the big questions around work life. Before we get into this episode, I just want to do a quick swear word Parental Advisory notice the guest on this week's show has a book with a swear word in the title we're going to talk about that word a lot. And if you don't want to hear that for some reason, then please switch off now. I should also use this as the opportunity to apologise for all the other times I've sworn and all the other podcasts for have not made any reference to Parental Advisory doses. But I just thought it was probably worthwhile doing it given the nature of this one. So if you are still here and you have not switched off, then I'm very excited to say that this week's guest is Stef Sword-Williams. She is the author of a new book called Fuck Being Humble. And she's also someone whose work I follow for a while she has basically an events company of the same name. So we talk a little bit about that and some of the work that she's done all around the idea of self promotion and making it less icky and making it less like something that we don't want to do. And so we're going to talk about my own hangups with it, we're going to talk about why some people will find it tough, and also all the benefits of it. So once we really think about how we market ourselves, how we put ourselves out there, how we take this kind of risks, it can have some huge benefits for our work for our careers, all that sort of thing. So really interesting conversation that you're going to really enjoy it. I'm going to do a couple of notices in bits and bobs at the end. But for now, because this is a long one and it's a good one. I just want to get straight in So, here is the conversation with Stef Sword-Williams. Right, we are rolling. I'm with Stef Sword-Williams, how are you doing?

Do you know what your company values are? Most people don't know. Or they can name one. Usually if I ask someone, they say things like "errrr.... equality..?....teamwork...?". You can immediately see the problem. These things are motherhood and apple pie - no one disagrees with them, but they're just so bland that they don't get you very far. They're perfectly good values or qualities, but so what? What changes as a result? How do they drive your behaviour as a leader or manager, or impact on the customer experience?

At my company, Think Productive, we have five values that we celebrate and hold dear. Our values are:

• Psychology Before Technology

• Practical and Playful

• Human, Not Superhero

• We Walk Our Talk

• Trust and Kindness are our Rocketfuel

Graham Allcott 0:05

This is Beyond Busy. The show where we talk productivity, work-life balance, defining happiness and success. All the big questions that relate to work and life and how we manage all of it. My name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. I'm the author of a book called How to be a Productivity Ninja and I'm the founder of Think Productive. So on this week's show, we're talking to Tameika Isaac Devine. She was the first African American female to be elected to her City Council in Columbia, South Carolina. She's also the mayor Pro Tem in Columbia, South Carolina. And she has you know, really been at the forefront of community leadership through some really difficult times in that state. So, we talked about the removal of the Confederate flag, the Charleston shootings, Black Lives Matter and just some really great perspectives on leadership. And how to make all of this stuff work, you know, family, her job as a as a elected official, her other job as an attorney, and you know all the various different demands that she has placed on a time and how she manages the whole thing together and does so just in such a just a really graceful way just to really integrity about her and really just enjoy the conversation. So let's get straight into it. This was recorded down the line just a few weeks ago. So here's my conversation with Tameika Isaac Devine.

Graham Allcott 0:04

This is Beyond Busy, the show where we talk about work, and all the questions that define how and where we do that work. We talk about productivity, work-life balance, how people define happiness and success, and much, much more. If you're new here, my name is Graham Allcott. I'm your host for the show. I'm the author of How to be a Productivity Ninja, and the founder of Think Productive. And this week on the show, we're talking to David Marquet. David is the author of the best selling book, Turn the Ship Around, has an amazing TED Talk with the same title, which we'll put a link to in the show notes. And he's also the author of new book Leadership is the Language. So we're gonna talk in a second to David, this is a pre lockdown conversation that we had earlier this year in London, when he was over here for a few days. So just get into it. Just to say, I hope you're enjoying the sunshine. It's a really lovely few days here in Brighton on the south coast of the UK. And also if you haven't been following me and my Rev Up for the Week, Sunday emails, you can find out more at GrahamAllcott.com were you'd be able to get details of how to sign up from there. And the Show Notes for this episode and all the others are at getbeyondbusy.com.

So let's get straight into the episode. This is a conversation about David's new book Leadership is Language, fascinating book about how language plays such a huge role in how we lead and in fact defines the style of how we lead so we talk a lot about that. We talked about his time as the captain of a nuclear submarine in the US Navy, and much much more. So I think you're gonna really enjoy David really just charismatic, inspiring, interesting guy with that. So many wise things to say so let's get straight to the episode. Here's my conversation with David Marquet.

've had a great reaction to the latest Beyond Busy podcast episode, with the highly passionate and compassionate David McQueen. I've known Dave a long time and he always brings his thoughtful A-game to everything he does. People really loved the little snippet of our conversation I put on my instagram where Dave talks about going in to Uber and doing a keynote where he starts by saying "let's face up to the truth: your boss is trash!".

I think the reason it resonated is that a lot of business culture is about hiding from the truth. In my travels through businesses I've seen some incredible cognitive dissonance over the years: Certain people getting an easier ride than others (or bad behaviour being ignored) because of their talent or status; brands that are clearly killing the planet high-fiving each other for saving it; impressive offices and meaningless awards hiding the fact that no-one there knows the answers either; people ignoring the notion that profitability is a driving force... There are countless examples where the truth is actively avoided.

Of course, truth is often hard to hear. No one likes to be the bearer of bad news, especially of personal bad news, like someone's poor performance, a change in direction, or conflict. That's where truth also needs kindness.

Graham Allcott 0:05

Hello again welcome back, Graham Allcott Beyond Busy The show where we talk productivity, work-life balance, happiness and success, life, the universe and everything, all that stuff. And on this episode, this is episode seven,we are talking to Amy Lee. Amy is a professional clown. So just to prove my, my devotion to be on busy after my recent illness, I'm sat in the shed on a Sunday afternoon. I really like I just don't work weekends like I'm very good at not allowing work to creep into my weekends. But I've had Roscoe our little boy or weekend we've been up at the SeaLife centre today running around and all that sort of stuff. And I've just got a couple of hours where he's with his mom, I'm down in the shed and I'm recording little voice bits for you. So here we are. This is Amy Lee. If you listen to the last episode with Matt From the songs and seven podcast, you'll probably already know that Matt is Amy's fiance, and that he proposed on his podcast on songs in seven. And you'll find a link to that in the show notes to the previous episode. And you know, it's just not often that you're sat in somebody's kitchen and you're having a cup of tea. So I was chatting to Matt and just kind of preparing for the interview with him. And then Amy piped up with the information that she is a professional clown. And I see some of this and we managed to arrange an interview. And it just felt like one of those amazing little things that just falls into your lap. From the very beginning of the idea of beyond busy as this podcast, I really wanted to interview people who had unique and interesting jobs and had kind of fun job titles and stuff like that, and I think to be seven episodes in and having already interviewed an internet musician, an Olympic gold medalist, an entrepreneur, a chief executive, it kind of feels like yeah, like I've I've ticked off some some good jobs. In these first few episodes, I sat down with Amy after my interview with Matt and Amy is Jasper from the clowning duo, Mauro and Jasper. And I'm sat here with Amy. And obviously the first question to ask is do you have a business card that says clown on it? So here's Amy.